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		<title>By: A Dahl&#8217;s House &#187; Stonewalling</title>
		<link>http://www.jerekeys.com/2009/06/18/where-my-allies-at/comment-page-1/#comment-1052</link>
		<dc:creator>A Dahl&#8217;s House &#187; Stonewalling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] many LGBT people, it was the last straw in a series of disses from the Obama administration, which &#8212; despite promises to be a fierce advocate on our behalf &#8212; has clearly been [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dani H.</title>
		<link>http://www.jerekeys.com/2009/06/18/where-my-allies-at/comment-page-1/#comment-938</link>
		<dc:creator>Dani H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 04:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you; an excellent post you&#039;ve made.  At the beginning, I also immediately thought of MLK Jr.&#039;s letter in the Birmingham jail and I was glad you mentioned it--it fit well.  You know, MLK goes on in his letter to talk about how people told him &quot;time will change things&quot;, but MLK argued (correctly) that time in itself doesn&#039;t change anything--it&#039;s what we do during that time that changes things.  Therefore just waiting for things to change on their own is no good.  We must take action before anything changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you; an excellent post you&#8217;ve made.  At the beginning, I also immediately thought of MLK Jr.&#8217;s letter in the Birmingham jail and I was glad you mentioned it&#8211;it fit well.  You know, MLK goes on in his letter to talk about how people told him &#8220;time will change things&#8221;, but MLK argued (correctly) that time in itself doesn&#8217;t change anything&#8211;it&#8217;s what we do during that time that changes things.  Therefore just waiting for things to change on their own is no good.  We must take action before anything changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had hoped (in the past) that a viable 3rd party would be the way to either pull the Democrats back to progressiveness, or be the progressive party since the Democrats seem to want to play the center.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had hoped (in the past) that a viable 3rd party would be the way to either pull the Democrats back to progressiveness, or be the progressive party since the Democrats seem to want to play the center.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenni</title>
		<link>http://www.jerekeys.com/2009/06/18/where-my-allies-at/comment-page-1/#comment-931</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the conclusion that I&#039;ve had to come to -- no one owns my vote, they have to earn it. And I, too, only vote for those who best represent my values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the conclusion that I&#8217;ve had to come to &#8212; no one owns my vote, they have to earn it. And I, too, only vote for those who best represent my values.</p>
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		<title>By: Jere Keys</title>
		<link>http://www.jerekeys.com/2009/06/18/where-my-allies-at/comment-page-1/#comment-930</link>
		<dc:creator>Jere Keys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenni,

The Green Party doesn&#039;t own my loyalty any more than the Democrats or the Libertarians. I think you&#039;re hung up on the &quot;viable 3rd party&quot; idea. I don&#039;t care if a candidate is viable anymore, I simply care that they are the candidate in any given race who best represents what I care about and my stances on the issues.

Frankly, if the Democrats can&#039;t win back the progressive voters and keep playing to the moderate middle, they don&#039;t deserve to win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenni,</p>
<p>The Green Party doesn&#8217;t own my loyalty any more than the Democrats or the Libertarians. I think you&#8217;re hung up on the &#8220;viable 3rd party&#8221; idea. I don&#8217;t care if a candidate is viable anymore, I simply care that they are the candidate in any given race who best represents what I care about and my stances on the issues.</p>
<p>Frankly, if the Democrats can&#8217;t win back the progressive voters and keep playing to the moderate middle, they don&#8217;t deserve to win.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear your frustration and feel it in many ways -- I lost all hope in Democrats with Clinton. We know that Republicans are usually the bad guys (especially on issues of equality and justice), but sometimes it&#039;s hard for some liberals to see that sometimes the Democrats are too -- or are at least the &quot;wimpy&quot; guys who will roll over whenever the bully Republicans tell them to.

I&#039;m still on the search for the answers to this. I tried the Green Party, but in Utah (and apparently other places in the nation) there is too much infighting and splitting amongst the activists that make up the party, which weakens their ability to be a viable 3rd party.

I&#039;m really at a loss about what to do. Most liberals I know practically worship Obama. I&#039;m willing to admit he&#039;s a lot better than Bush, but I&#039;m frankly tired of the &quot;lesser of evils&quot; strategy in politics. I&#039;ve thought &#039;til my brain hurts about how to move the Democrats back to being leaders for the oppressed and haven&#039;t really found any answers.

I believe that while any person is oppressed, we all are. As a woman I feel a strong connection between equal rights for women and equal rights for LGBTQ people. We have so much in common, and our enemies are really the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear your frustration and feel it in many ways &#8212; I lost all hope in Democrats with Clinton. We know that Republicans are usually the bad guys (especially on issues of equality and justice), but sometimes it&#8217;s hard for some liberals to see that sometimes the Democrats are too &#8212; or are at least the &#8220;wimpy&#8221; guys who will roll over whenever the bully Republicans tell them to.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still on the search for the answers to this. I tried the Green Party, but in Utah (and apparently other places in the nation) there is too much infighting and splitting amongst the activists that make up the party, which weakens their ability to be a viable 3rd party.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really at a loss about what to do. Most liberals I know practically worship Obama. I&#8217;m willing to admit he&#8217;s a lot better than Bush, but I&#8217;m frankly tired of the &#8220;lesser of evils&#8221; strategy in politics. I&#8217;ve thought &#8217;til my brain hurts about how to move the Democrats back to being leaders for the oppressed and haven&#8217;t really found any answers.</p>
<p>I believe that while any person is oppressed, we all are. As a woman I feel a strong connection between equal rights for women and equal rights for LGBTQ people. We have so much in common, and our enemies are really the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Alicia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alicia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solidarity..but you know that!</description>
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		<title>By: Jere Keys</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jere Keys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I agree, and have been outspokenly against unfair racist and religious bias commentary in the LGBT community. As for the Mormon question, I believe that the church leadership can and must be held accountable for their views but I make every effort to seperate the church leadership from the general membership (which, BTW, includes nearly my entire family). 

But why bring up injustice done to African Americans in California, criticism of Mormons in the government, and &quot;disparaging&quot; comments about marriages involving teenagers and first cousins by a group of outspoken voices in response to this blog? To the points I am making? Your comment about not attending the Prop 8 protest suggest that you, in fact, are using &quot;injustice&quot; done to another group as an excuse not to support ending injustice done to another.

Do not judge us by John Aravois (who is not a favorite among progressive activists, anyway).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I agree, and have been outspokenly against unfair racist and religious bias commentary in the LGBT community. As for the Mormon question, I believe that the church leadership can and must be held accountable for their views but I make every effort to seperate the church leadership from the general membership (which, BTW, includes nearly my entire family). </p>
<p>But why bring up injustice done to African Americans in California, criticism of Mormons in the government, and &#8220;disparaging&#8221; comments about marriages involving teenagers and first cousins by a group of outspoken voices in response to this blog? To the points I am making? Your comment about not attending the Prop 8 protest suggest that you, in fact, are using &#8220;injustice&#8221; done to another group as an excuse not to support ending injustice done to another.</p>
<p>Do not judge us by John Aravois (who is not a favorite among progressive activists, anyway).</p>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
		<link>http://www.jerekeys.com/2009/06/18/where-my-allies-at/comment-page-1/#comment-919</link>
		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am with you, and with the principles of the LGBT rights movement, but I am not with those who consider injustice done to them a valid reason to be unjust to others. 

I&#039;m thinking about the gay white people who were harassing their African American counter-parts after Prop. 8 because the measure had more support among African American voters than white ones. I&#039;m thinking about John Aravois declaring my grandfather a &quot;pedophile&quot; and &quot;child rapist&quot; because my grandmother got married at 16, and demeaning the marriages of first cousins (legal in several states, including NY and VT). I&#039;m thinking about the folks who are saying that Mormons shouldn&#039;t be allowed to work for the government if that entails Mormons dealing with issues on which their religion takes a stance. (Didn&#039;t JFK already have to deal with this one? is it just that Mormons are fewer than Catholics so it&#039;s easier to target them?)

I am finding that certain actions taken that purport to be on behalf of the cause just come across as unfair bullying. I couldn&#039;t go to the anti-Prop. 8 rally held in NYC after the amendment passed -- because it was held outside the Mormon temple and I have friends who attend it. Let&#039;s try to keep the movement clean of racial and religious bigotry, and stick to pressing the issues themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am with you, and with the principles of the LGBT rights movement, but I am not with those who consider injustice done to them a valid reason to be unjust to others. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking about the gay white people who were harassing their African American counter-parts after Prop. 8 because the measure had more support among African American voters than white ones. I&#8217;m thinking about John Aravois declaring my grandfather a &#8220;pedophile&#8221; and &#8220;child rapist&#8221; because my grandmother got married at 16, and demeaning the marriages of first cousins (legal in several states, including NY and VT). I&#8217;m thinking about the folks who are saying that Mormons shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to work for the government if that entails Mormons dealing with issues on which their religion takes a stance. (Didn&#8217;t JFK already have to deal with this one? is it just that Mormons are fewer than Catholics so it&#8217;s easier to target them?)</p>
<p>I am finding that certain actions taken that purport to be on behalf of the cause just come across as unfair bullying. I couldn&#8217;t go to the anti-Prop. 8 rally held in NYC after the amendment passed &#8212; because it was held outside the Mormon temple and I have friends who attend it. Let&#8217;s try to keep the movement clean of racial and religious bigotry, and stick to pressing the issues themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle M.</title>
		<link>http://www.jerekeys.com/2009/06/18/where-my-allies-at/comment-page-1/#comment-918</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can count me as  as one of your allies. This was a passionate and eye opening article. I certainly will try to do more to help the cause (my sister is gay, and it is utterly ridiculous that I have rights/benefits that she does not). I do not understand why equality is even up for debate. It should be a given and the wheels are turning far too slowly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can count me as  as one of your allies. This was a passionate and eye opening article. I certainly will try to do more to help the cause (my sister is gay, and it is utterly ridiculous that I have rights/benefits that she does not). I do not understand why equality is even up for debate. It should be a given and the wheels are turning far too slowly.</p>
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